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that's all for us tonight. wishing you a very happy independence day. obviously, we brits do not celebrate july the fourth with quite the same enthusiasm. but i wish you a very good time any way. anderson cooper starts right now. prosecution getting ready to call its final witness. the defense prepares to begin calling theirs. good evening. welcome to this "ac 360" special report, "self-defense or murder, the george zimmerman trial." the trial is heading into its final stretch. the prosecution calling what could be its next to last witness today. a dna expert and trayvon martin's mother expected to take the stand on friday before the prosecution rests. another big day in a trial that's had nothing but big days so far.
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martin savidge starts us off. >> reporter: though the symbol to many, the hooded sweatshirt trayvon martin wore the night he was killed is also a key piece of evidence. the state expert said he found no trace of george zimmerman's dna on that sweatshirt, not each on the sleeves or cuffs nearest to the fist the defendant says trayvon martin was hitting him with. and no zimmerman dna was found on martin's fingernails. what about martin's dna, was it found on the gun which by one zimmerman account, the teen actually reached for and touched. >> a swab or the dna that you developed from the pistol grip of the defendant's gun, it was positive for blood, correct? >> yes. >> and then there was a mixture, the major was matched to the defendant, george zimmerman? >> yes. >> and you were able to exclude trayvon martin as having dna on the pistol grip, is that correct? >> yes. trayvon martin was excluded as being a possible contributor to this mixture on the grip.
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>> reporter: the hoody was also tested by a firearms expert who said zimmerman's gun was actually touching the fabric when he fired the fatal shot. >> what did you find distance wise when you conducted the test with this particular sweatshirt? >> this as well was consistent with residues of a contact shot. >> so again, evidencing that the end of the gun was against the material when it was fired? >> yes. >> reporter: the prosecution also pointed out the night he killed marten, zimmerman carried a fully loaded weapon with an additional round chambered and ready to fire. but on cross-examination, the defense got the witness to admit that was not out of the ordinary. >> you do not consider that to be an unusual occurrence? >> no. >> reporter: earlier, the state was out to show that zimmerman did not just want to be a cop, he was trying to learn how to become one, studying criminal justice at a local college. on the stand, a former professor
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described zimmerman as one of his best students. zimmerman said he knew nothing of florida's stand your ground law the night he killed martin. but the professor said it was a frequent source of discussion. >> i wanted to teach the class where these students can really relate and take something from it and apply it to their own lives. you know, with florida and other states, they have what's called the stand your ground law, which evolved from the castle doctrine through case law. >> did you cover that specifically? >> yes. >> did you discuss specifically self-defense and stand your ground laws in connection of violent crimes such as murder? >> yes. >> reporter: it was the testimony of another professor that provided one of the trial's few lighter low temperatu eer m. he aspired by skype. >> reporter: first, there was
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sound problems. then came the digital demons. as his face and name were carried on national tv, people appeared to begin calling it, disrupting the system. a frustrated judge ordered the video call stopped, with the defense finally catching on to what was happening. >> there's now a really good chance that we're being toyed with. >> reporter: in court, the judge announced the state had planned to rest. that won't happen now until at least friday, after the fourth of july holiday. martin savidge, cnn, florida. >> we've put together the best legal team. lawrence kopalanski joins us, with sunny hostin, marcia clark. on the defense side, mark nejame and mark gar goals.
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-- geragos. doctor, the firearms expert testified that the gun was touching trayvon martin's sweatshirt when george zimmerman fired. that's not what the autopsy showed. >> that's right. and i find it a bit miss tiyste. she did all of the right things. she used the same ammunition and the same garments and concluded that it was a contact shot. remember that there are two garments, the hoody sweat shirt and underlying sweatshirt and then the body. she's looking at gunshot residue, burned and unburned particles, and the tearing and singing of the fibers around the hole. the conclusion is clear and makes sense to me, that it was a contact shot. what's mysterious is that the autopsy report indicates it was an intermediate distance shot, which tells me that it was
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probably between 6 and 18 inches. >> so who is likely to be more accurate? >> i would tend to think that the ballistics expert is more accurate, because that bullet had to penetrate both garments before it hit the body. you wouldn't nemsly see the stippling, which is the burning, the abrasions in the skin around the hole, the bullet hole, and therefore, i mean, if you see those stippling marks, sometimes called tattooing, you can conclude the distance. >> does it really matter the distance? >> honestly it doesn't. because both would indicate a close shot, a struggle. >> that's not a surprise. >> it supports george zimmerman's story. >> sunny, the prosecution had this dna expert testify about dna found on the gun. i want to play that for the viewers. >> the swab or the dna that you developed from the pistol grip of the defendant's gun, it was positive for blood, correct? >> yes. >> and then there was a mixture, the major was matched to the
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defendant, george zimmerman. >> yes. >> and you were able to exclude trayvon martin as having dna on the pistol grip, is that correct? >> yes. trayvon martin was excluded as being a possible contributor to this mixture on the grip. >> yesterday, zimmerman's best friend testified that zimmerman told him trayvon martin grabbed for the gun. is this significant at small >> i do think it's a significant inconsistency. i was in the courtroom and i cannot begin to tell you how into this witness the jury was. they were leaning forward. they were taking notes. they even laughed with him. he was very engaging with some pretty dull information, dna information is not that captivating. but they loved him. i think it's a result of the csi effect that we talk about all the time. people like dna. they feel like it's definitive evidence. because of that, i think that it may not show us what happened that night, but certainly it may
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tell the jury what zimmerman said happened couldn't have happened. trayvon martin couldn't have touched the gun because his dna was not on the gun as george zimmerman described it. so i think given that, my observations in the courtroom, i think it's going to be important to this jury. >> just because dna wasn't on the gun doesn't mean it wasn't washed away or it didn't -- >> the kind of testing they do is not high sensitivity testing. it's the ordinary dna testing. so if you've got 15, 14, 13 cells, you wouldn't see it. the limits of detective make it that you couldn't pick up small amounts of dna. also, the rain could have washed it away. >> the dna expert talked about swabs taken from underneath
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trayvon martin's fingernails. >> you did not find any of george zimmerman's dna there, is that correct? >> no, there was nothing foreign to trayvon martin. >> if we could move to the second part, which i believe would be the fingernail scrapings from the left hand. if you can tell us your findings as to that. >> the left hand was not tested for blood, it did not have any staining on it whatsoever. i swabled that and did not get any dna results from that swab. >> so why was that important for the prosecution? >> it's important, i can't say it's critical. what it proves is that if george zimmerman, if people understand george zimmerman to have been saying that trayvon martin grabbed him by the head in a manner that would cause some kind of dna from george zimmerman to get under his fingernails and slammed his head into the sidewalk, you might expect some amount of dna from george zimmerman to be under his
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fingernails. but it also might not. so i have to say it's helpful to the prosecution. it's not a slam dunk. it's not a big ticket item, but it is something to add to the evidence that the prosecution has presented to show that the contact between trayvon martin and george zimmerman may not be as zimmerman described. >> mark geragos, do you think some of this testimony was ultimately a wash? because the defense was able to get the dna expert to basically say just the fact that he couldn't find dna doesn't mean that there wasn't trayvon martin's dna on the holster or the gun. >> i do think it's a wash. i can't tell you how many times you will see, especially with guns and depending on what the kind of surface is of it, it's very difficult, even when you know that somebody has handled that gun, to pick up a lot of times the dna off of it or the fingerprints off of it, or any of the telltale signs. you would be surprised how often these tests come back negative.
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so i don't think it's of any great shakes one way or the other. >> and the prosecution established that zimmerman's gun wasn't made with an external safety button and had been loaded ready to fire. the defense tried to counter this. let's play that. >> you stated that a person, mr. zimmerman, since we know it to be his gun, right? >> yes. >> would then racked it to make sure it was in fact ready to fire and put another bullet in the magazine and reloaded it, correct? >> yes. >> is that a usual occurrence in your experience dealing with firearms? >> i typically see a wide variety. >> you do not consider that to be an unusual occurrence, did you? >> no. >> as a matter of fact, probably every law enforcement gun you've had a chance to see, it is normal that one is racked in the
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chamber and a full magazine, correct? >> yes. >> military do that, correct? >> i'm not sure. >> mark, if the prosecution was trying to paint george zimmermans a trigger happy, wannabe cop with a bullet in the chamber ready to go, do you think the defense did a good job countering that? >> yeah, it was very effective. it showed it was not out of the ordinary. when you heard the state's opening and the way they tried to portray george zimmerman, that this is a depraved mind and he has this evil motive. well, this just shows it was one way of many that you would in fact have this gun and it was not out of the ordinary and it was much to do about nothing. i think it was a good job of neutralizing. remember, neutralizing always goes to the side of the defense, because it's the state's burden. so when you level something out, that always hurts the state. >> from a forensics stand point, anything else important from today? >> there were really no bombshells, none at all.
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i have a carry license, and i don't carry my gun, because i think it's too dangerous. but the fact that the gun is fully loaded, again, is not a surprise. if you're going to carry a gun, you've got to be prepared to fire it. i think the most safe way to handle a way is don't carry it. but i think law enforcement will keep a fully loaded gun. i'm not shocked by anything here. no bombshells here. >> appreciate it. plenty more to talk about, including laflter from george zimmerman. we haven't seen that before. we'll talk about what the jury might think. meantime, let us know what you think on twitter. this special coverage continues when we come back.
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wrongably saw trayvon martin as another in his words, "f"-ing punks that always get away. prosecutors have sought to show that zimmerman walls aware of florida's statute of self-defense before he shot martin, not after. today, they called a military lawyer who says florida's stand your ground was a topic of discussion in the class, something the defense tried to blunt by turning the focus to the fear they say zimmerman felt that night. >> on the issue of injuries, though, when you talk about that with the class, and your understanding of the law is that the focus is what's going on in the person's mind, not whether they have actually been injured, it's the fear of the injury, is it not? >> it's imminent injury or excuse me, imminent fear. so the fact alone that there isn't an injury doesn't
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necessarily mean that the person did not have a reasonable apprehension of fear. the fact that there were injuries have a tendency to show or support that that person had a reasonable apprehension of fear. but the fact that there wasn't an injury at all doesn't necessarily mean that there was a reasonable apprehension of fear. >> you don't have to wait until you're almost dead before you can defend yourself? >> no, i would advise you probably don't do that. [ laughter ] >> back with the panel. sunny hostin, marcia clark, mark nejaime and mark geragos. mark, this is what we were talking about yesterday when you guys were arguing over the extend of his injuries. as long as george zimmerman walls scared by the extent of his injuries, whether or not those injuries really were something that were as serious as maybe he thought they were doesn't matter, what matters is what he felt about them, zplekt
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>> that's why i don't understand this witness. if you're the prosecution, why do you put this witness on? he, in that little exchange, gave precisely what we discussed last night is going to be the defense's argument. my guess, you're going to see the jury talk about this precisely this when they go back there first thing in their deliberations. this is one of the key issues for them to understand that. and the prosecution, their own witness kind of cuts them off at the knees. >> marcia clark, do you agree with that? >> a little bit. but i understand why they put him on. they wanted to show the jury that george zimmerman knew the kind of story he had to tell in order to concoct a story that showed justifiable homicide. to show that he understood the law and what he would have to say. now, the professor is, of course, correct. the actual extent of the injuries is not definitive answer as to whether or not the person reasonably believed he was in danger of imminent death. but the problem here is that the nature of the injuries conflicts
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with george zimmerman's account. that's what is significant about these injuries. not whether or not they were death defying. that in itself is a red herring. the issue is whether george zimmerman was truthful when he said he bashed my head into the pavement repeatedly and rained blows down on me, that kind of thing. >> but couldn't they have accomplished the same thing by introducing the syllabus? why did they bring this guy in and give all this what i consider to be defense oriented testimony out? >> i know, mark. i can't -- >> i just don't -- >> i have an answer for that. >> sunny, go ahead. >> i actually thought that it was helpful to the prosecution because we have to remember the jury saw the interview that he gave to sean hannity. when sean hannity asked him, what about stand your ground law, did you know about it? he said i didn't know anything about it. you know, i found out about it after the shooting.
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well, this witness just contradicted that. not only did he say he taught it, he also explained that he taught it practically and he said that george zimmerman was one of his best students that he gave him an a in the class. >> sunny, let's play that -- >> why not introduce his report card and the syllabus? >> let me just play that interview that the jurors saw. >> a lot of this case legally has to do with stand your ground. you've heard a lot about it. i was just curious, prior to this night, this incident, had you even heard stand your ground? >> no, sir. >> i wanted to teach the class from a practical stand point where these students can really relate and take something from it and apply it to their own lives. you know, with florida and other states, they have what's called the stand your ground law, which evolved from the castle doctrine through case law. >> did you cover that specifically? >> yes.
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>> did you discuss specifically self-defense and stand your ground laws in connection with violent crime such as murder? >> yes. >> so what does that -- i mean, mark, to sunny's point, that would seem to indicate either he was just incorrect or not telling the truth during that hannity interview. >> or he wasn't paying attention in class. >> that's the other option. >> he's an a student. >> he wouldn't be the first a student who got it without paying attention. >> if i could come in here. the state's whole case is going to be to attack the credibility of george zimmerman. they have opined he's not taking the stand. so they're trying to get in every single statement and show every contradiction that they can, to lay one atop the other, that's their argument.
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they have no other argument, other than george zimmerman has been lying. and he created this and he overreacted. they have to prove the overreaction to get a lesser included on manslaughter. that's why you're also hearing other things about a depraved mind, knowing they've got a very small chance on a second degree homicide. so they have to attack his credibility and they're going to do that by taking every statement they can and showing every discrepancy and that's their plan. >> the defense was fighting zimmerman's criminal justice professor to testify, because they say it broadened zimmerman's past. mark o'mara said yesterday on this program if this evidence was allowed in, which it was, it could open up the door for evidence related to trayvon martin's past into the courtroom. i just want to play what mark o'mara said to me yesterday. >> i think if they start bringing what was in george's background, his past to the table, then it really brings in what trayvon martin brings to the table, all of his violent acts that we know about and some
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of the fighting he was involved in. if that's not going to be on the table, whatever george did shouldn't be on the table, swem. >> what parts of trayvon martin's past could come in as evidence? >> this is the variation of the goolsy gander rule. if you're going to let in something for zimmerman, you should let in something for martin. obviously, the only way i can see, and maybe nejame can correct me under florida law, but the only way i can see they'll get in the trayvon martin stuff is if zimmerman comes up and testifies and kind of pushes this story a little bit further. because i don't think based on the current tape that they have introduced to this jury that they're go -- this this judge will let them go down that path. >> mark is exactly right. they didn't open the door. the judge was very astute the way she ruled. the said this was the theory of prosecution, and that they were
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attempting to establish -- also it's valid as far as my opinion in cross-examination. so no, they came in through another angle. they didn't open the door as to character. they had a theory of prosecution and used it under that and it did not open up the door. i agree if zimmerman takes the stand and opens it up in another area, it's going to be a back and forth. but not going to happen, not with this judge and not with the defense not even thinking the about putting him on the stand. >> he's never going to take the stand. >> no, way. >> there's no reason. absolutely no reason for him. i can't see him doing any better on the witness stand than he's done through the statements that have been introduced. >> for more on the story, go to cnn.com. just ahead, trayvon martin's mother is expected to be one of the final witnesses on friday. many believe it could be emotional testimony. more from our panel, ahead.
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as we said, sabrina fulton, trayvon martin's mother, is expected to take the stand on friday before the prosecution rests. today, prosecutors brought george zimmerman's past into the courtroom. the judge is yet to rule whether the defense can bring up anything from trayvon martin's past. darrell parks, attorney for trayvon martin's family, joins us now. earlier today, there were thoughts that the prosecution would call trayvon martin's mother to testify. do you expect she will take the stand on friday? >> anderson, there's a strong possibility she will take the stand. >> what about trayvon martin's brother? there's also some who expect
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maybe he would be asked to testify, as well. >> there's a very strong possibility he will testify. >> how important to the prosecution's case do you think their testimony is in terms of identifying whose voice it is on that 911 call? >> well, if they call them to the stand, i would assume it's very important to their case. however, i'm not the lawyer trying the case, so i have to defer whatever their strategy is. but if they call them, i would expect that they suspect to get strong testimony from them. >> the state presented evidence about zimmerman's education course work. when i spoke with mark o'mara, he said he believes that opens the door for more discussion of trayvon martin's history. do you think that should be admissible, that one opens up the door to the other? >> well, not at all. i think we have to remember here, in this particular case, we know clearly trayvon martin was trying to get away from george zimmerman. when he approached george
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zimmerman, he asked him, why are you following me? so trayvon's past has nothing to do with that interaction, which was the initial interaction. we really know that from what happened in this case that george zimmerman was following trayvon and almost three times came close to him and had an opportunity to say who he was and failed to do so. as you heard from the detectives, quite possibly had he done that, this situation would have never happened. so we think that his background and also you have to take into perspective that his interaction with the detectives where mark o'mara has come forward with the theory that trayvon martin -- excuse me, that george zimmerman was participating with the officers, he was acting in good faith, all the things he's done to bolster george zimmerman's testimony goes into the knowledge that he had and his experience in dealing with these self-defense situations and knowing if he showed he was cooperating with law enforcement, that would go to
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his benefit. he learned all these things at the college he attended. >> how concerned are you about the prosecution's case at this point? they're one day away from resting their case. there's a lot of analysts, former prosecutors, defense attorneys looking at this case saying they don't see that the state has done a successful job of proving second degree murder. perhaps the jury will come back with a manslaughter charge. are you confident in the way the prosecution's case has unfolded in the testimony given by a lot of the prosecution's witnesses, which a lot of analysts say has worked towards the benefit of the defense. >> well, i have to tell you, anderson, i'm sitting in that courtroom every day, so unlike these other analysts who do not have an opportunity to see all the evidence, to see the interaction, to see the jurors and how they're responding to the evidence, i don't think they get the full body of it. >> so you think you're seeing
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something that the tv isn't showing? >> right. they can't see the jurors. i can see the jurors. i see when for example today when the expert was showing the contact of the gun, i saw everyone of them except for one was engaged in writing. it was very powerful. now, someone sitting in l.a., he would never get that. but i saw it. >> were you surprised by the testimony of the lead investigator on the case? because a number of people observing it, watching it on television said that they had never heard a police officer called by the prosecution give testimony that was so favorable to a defense. >> well, i think also we have to remember how this case unfolded in terms of the investigation and interacting with the police department, the case being taken over by the florida department of law enforcement, somewhat from the fbi. no one likes for someone to come in and take over
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point. we can't. and i think that's a good thing. the problem is interpreting what they're doing.
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taking notes. but what are they writing? that's an important thing to remember. i remember feeling that way myself. i see when they sit forward. i see when they sit back and that matters. >> sunny, you're sitting in the courtroom and you see that, as well? >> absolutely. that's perhaps why my perspective is
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you have one of the jurors who takes notes for everything that comes out. you have one juror that seems to be disinterested. and the other three or four that take notes at certain times. unless you're a master poker player, do they have a good hand or bad hand? you don't know how to interpret it. i will tell you, this is an engaged jury. they really are paying attention and they do seem to be following
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it. so if that's in fact true, then both sides will play to that. >> everybody, stay where you are. up next, george zimmerman's up next, george zimmerman's family
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it's a strong possibility that we'll never know whose screams for helped on the night trayvon martin and george zimmerman encountered each other. trayvon martin's mother insisted that it was her son's voice. but listen to what george zimmerman's father said. >> were you able to identify the voice? >> yes, sir. >> whose was it? >> it was absolutely george's. >> his family insisted that he's not the man prosecutors made him out to be.
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>> reporter: george zimmerman may have killed trayvon martin. but make no mistake, his family says he's no monster. his older brother has said that george zimmerman would never chase anyone down. >> he's the neighbor that everybody would want to have. he's the kind of guy that sees somebody struggling with changing a tire and stops to help them, or helps older people with their groceries. he goes out of his way to help people. >> reporter: at this bail hearing last year, george zimmerman's mother testifying over the phone talked of him helping the homeless and mentoring african-american students. >> he's very protective of people. very protective of homeless people, and very protective also of children. no matter their race. >> reporter: his father has tried to dispel rumors that george zimmerman is a racist, who racially profiled trayvon martin the night he shot him. in a book he wrote about the case, robert zimmerman senior wrote, many of george's closest and most trusted friends are african-american, adding there
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is a tremendous amount of evidence that george is absolutely not a racist in any sense of the word. in an effort to prove that zimmerman has african-american roots, the family released this photo exclusively to a cnn legal analyst showing zimmerman's grandmother who is half black and his grandfather. that little girl is george zimmerman's mother. still, noenl of that squares with what zimmerman's cousin told police in that audio recording. >> i was afraid that he was going to -- [ inaudible ] because he was black. because growing up, they've always -- him and his family have always made statements that they don't like black people if they don't act like white people. >> reporter: but his immediate family has always stayed on message. >> when this is all over, they hope people will conclude that george zimmerman is a nice guy. his father likes to point out george grew up in a close family with one brother and one sister
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raised in a religious catholic home. he was an altar boy for seven or eight years. the priests thought so much of him, he gave him his first job in the rectory. that's the george zimmerman his family wants the world to know. in terms of his some's injuries, his father described hem for the court, by phone. >> his face was swollen quite a bit. he had a protective cut over his nose. his lip was swollen and cut, and there were two vertical gashes on the back of his head. >> reporter: robert zimmerman spoke to wofl, in shadow for his safety early on, and painted a picture that supported his son's claim of self-defense. >> trayvon martin said something to the effect of you're going to die now or you're going to die tonight, something to that effect. he continued to beat george, and at some point, george pulled his
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pistol. >> reporter: if any of the zimmermans are called to testify, a letter written by his mother might provide a preview of what they might say on the witness stand. written earlier this year on the anniversary of her son's arrest, zimmerman's mother wrote april 11, 2012 will be forever remembered by the zimmerman family as the day the justice system failed us as americans. and as a consequence, an innocent man was arrested for a crime he did not commit. solely to placate the masses. randi kaye, cnn, atlanta. >> joining us again the opinion. the prosecution might call sabrina fulton, trayvon martin's mother on friday. mark, you think it's likely that it would be wise for the defense to call members of the george zimmerman family specifically to talk about their claims that it's george zimmerman's voice calling for help on the 911. >> i think they absolutely will
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do that. i couldn't understand why they wouldn't. i might even book and it, if they put her on, on friday, and they may go into the four corner small, the old dean smith stall, if they do that, i would put him on, on monday. i don't think there's any down side putting him on right after her. >> do you think having trayvon martin's mother and the father of george zimmerman, does that negate each other or because trayvon martin's parents have been in that courtroom every day, and the jury has come to see them at times they've gotten up when the testimony is too emotional, is too difficult or too graphic, do you think one is a more powerful witness than another? >> you know, i do. i think that we have to remember that there are six women on the jury, and we have to women that five of them are mothers. they are going to relate to a
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mother telling them a mother knows her child's voice, especially in distress. it's something that as a mother myself, i understand. i also want to say that i wouldn't be surprised if they called trayvon martin's brother, jahvaris fulton. i interviewed him. he is very elegant. he looks a lot like trayvon martin. he's very well spoken. i think he would actually be a wonderful witness for the state. so i wouldn't be surprised if he would be called. >> you think that's why he would be called, to identify his brother's voice? >> absolutely. because when i interviewed him, he talked about how close they were and how they grew up together. they even shared a room. so if anyone understands or recalls his voice, it would be his brother. if you have his mother and brother saying the same thing, you get the benefit of having the mother and bropter who looks
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like trayvon martin who goes to college, who looks like your everyday guy, that would carry a lot of weight with this jury. >> we'll have more on the trial ahead. i want to get the panel's take on what the prosecution needs to do. and the breaking news in egypt. the country a powder keg tonight after the coup to depose the president. the situation is extremely fluid. an update ahead. in djibouti, . vietnam in 1972. [ all ] fort benning, georgia in 1999. [ male announcer ] usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection and because usaa's commitment to serve military members, veterans, and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve.
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going to be very short. i would think they'll put on the father to testify exactly to what you just played. and have been playing, basically identifying his voice on the scream. i think they may put on their own pathologist, although i don't know at this point why they would do that. and some other back fill. but i don't think it would be a very long defense case. i would imagine less than two days would be my guess. >> really? so they don't need to put on a robust defense, you don't think? >> i don't think so. i think this is a case that they have tried within the prosecution's case through cross-examination, and basically turning the prosecution witnesses into their own, and i just don't think that mark is going to go there in terms of putting on a robust or lengthy case or defense. >> mark nejame, do you agree with that? >> yeah, that's what is going to happen. they're going to close up a few
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holes and address some of the inconsistencies. but the overall statements we heard from zimmerman are pretty much correct. i think you will see filibuster. they really want to start this case on monday. they want to take the deposition of darrell parks before they go ahead and proceed. so i think you're going to see some things dragged out a bit tomorrow, then into judgment of acquittal arguments. even though the judge wanted them to end today, in grate likelihood they'll drag out the day and commence their case on monday. >> sunny, it's entirely possible for the jury, if they don't believe that the state has proved second degree murder, that the jury themselves could convict on manslaughter, correct? >> well, if they're charged, yeah, if they're instructed that they can consider lesser included like manslaughter. i think that's very possible. sltz marcia, is that likely that they will be instructed? >> oh, yes. i can't imagine they wouldn't
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be. the defense may object. there are times when the defense wants to play an all or nothing game with the jury and say no, second degree, no manslaughter instruction. second degree or nothing. it's a very questionable move on their part, and i don't think that they will do it. even if they do, anderson, the judge can overrule them and say no, i'm giving the instruction. there is evidence to support it. and give the lesser included instruck shunl. i fully expect to see it here. >> thank you very much. let's get caught up with some of the other stories we're following. >> anderson, breaking news in egypt where the situation tonight is still very fluid, hours after the military deposed the country's first democratically elected president, the muslim brotherhood says mohammed morsy is under house arrest. according to egypt's state run media, eight people were kid and more than 300 wounded in clashes today, pro and anti-morsy demonstrators have filled the streets.
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outrage in south america today. the plane carrying the president was forced to land in vienna. there were suspicions that edward snowden was on board. a search in vienna revealed no sign of him. back home, the first look at the damage of the fire that took the lives of 19 elite hot shots. officials are concerned the fire could flare up again at any time. a "360" follow. cnn has obtained of video of kenneth bay who was sentenced in april to 15 years in north korea. he appeals to authorities to forgive them and asks the u.s. government to secure his release. the justice department says she's charged with stealing 165 pieces of tiffany jewels, then selling them to an international
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good evening, everyone. two big stories dominating the hour, potentially vital testimony in the zimmerman trial about whose dna was where as the prosecution gets ready to call its final witnesses. but we begin with news out of egypt tonight, the muslim brotherhood says deposed president mohammed morsy is being held under house arrest today after being forced out today after one year in office. tonight, the country is a powder keg, the situation extremely fluid. right now pro and anti-morsy demonstrators are in the streets. the state department has issue d